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- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was promoted by Hey man im josh via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 2 May 2025 (UTC) [1].[reply]
- Nominator(s): Birdienest81talk 08:36, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For my first American football list that I will nominate for featured list status, I have chosen this list of Rams starting quarterbacks because the team is my favorite ever since they returned to Los Angeles after spending 20 years in St. Louis. Please note that due to the fact that the team was founded in 1936, this list resembles List of Green Bay Packers starting quarterbacks rather than List of Los Angeles Chargers starting quarterbacks.
- Unlike some other starting quarterbacks lists, this list does not include any statistics. Imho, statistics other than games, starts and QB record is superfluous to this topic and better covered in existing list (in this case, List of Los Angeles Rams team records, which is described and linked in the See also section). Yards, passes, etc are all accumulated regardless of whether a QB starts or not. Note, WP:FLCR #3(c) states that a FL should
not largely duplicate material from another article
. - There is two existing team quarterback start FLCs: List of Los Angeles Chargers starting quarterbacks (passed in Jan 2023) and (passed in April 2024). You will notice that the former utilizes a static table instead of a sortable table. I chose to follow the Packers' starting quarterback list table for a couple reasons: first, this is a list of players (specifically starting QBs), thus I feel like the reader expectation is a list of quarterbacks, not a list of seasons. Second, the sortable table provides a lot more functionality to understand who started the most games, who had the best record, etc. I believe this layout also speaks more closely to satisfying WP:FLCR #4
Structure. It is easy to navigate and includes, where helpful, section headings and table sort facilities.
- Unlike the two existing team quarterback start FLCs, the Rams history dates back well before 1950. Based on Gonzo fan2007's research on the Pa, there are no reliable sources showing quarterback starts or win/loss record prior to 1950. PFR doesn't list them and even in individual player pages, it only shows total starts, not starts by position (and no QB record). Thus, for this list, the cut-off is 1950, when my source (PFR) provides reliable information showing QB starts. All other pre-1950 Rams QBs aren't included (note, {{Los Angeles Rams starting quarterback navbox}} still has these included; assuming consensus forms here on this issue and this FLC promotes, I would then utilize this list to update the template).
Nevertheless, I feel that this has the potential to become a featured list. I would greatly appreciate the feedback and addressing any concerns.
MPGuy2824
- The regular season table has MOS:COLHEAD issues.
- Scott Covington should have a win percentage of 0, while Case Keenum's should be 0.5. Please check the rest.
- Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting
|+ caption_text
as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting|+ {{sronly|caption_text}}
instead. - Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding
!scope=col
to each header cell, e.g.! Year
becomes!scope=col | Year
. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use!scope=colgroup
instead. - Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding
!scope=row
to each primary cell, e.g.| 1987
becomes!scope=row | 1987
(on its own line). If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use!scope=rowgroup
instead. - Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 15:29, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @MPGuy2824: Done - I have read your comments, and made the necessary adjustments based on them. I should point out that I removed the entire season by season tables since as I mentioned in the intro of this nominations, this is primarily a list about starter quarterbacks rather than a season-by-season record. I am following how List of Green Bay Packers starting quarterbacks was formated. However, an editor decided to restore the old format underneath the current one without knowing that the list is undergoing FLC. Anyways, hope this clarifies things.
- --Birdienest81talk 10:41, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The refs column in both tables should be unsortable. Support on table accessibility since I trust that you'll get this done. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:21, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
History6042's source review
- Sources are reliable enough.
- Nothing is unsourced.
- Dates in references all use MDY format.
- All are archived except citation 81. Please archive it.
- I spotchecked 10 sources and they were all fine.
- Note: I don't really know how the sport percentages work but I will WP:AGF because everything else I checked made sense.
- I will support once you archive the one source that doesn't have it. History6042😊 (Contact me) 12:07, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @History6042: Done - I added that archived url manually since the archive tool doesn;t some to archive to page.
- --Birdienest81talk 12:02, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, good job. History6042😊 (Contact me) 12:03, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- --Birdienest81talk 12:02, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from TheDoctorWho
- Add {{Use American English}}
- Add a short description per WP:SDLIST (overrides SDNONE), non-American readers aren't likely to know who the Los Angeles Rams are. Something like "American football starting quarterbacks" would probably suffice
- "in Cleveland, Ohio as" ---> "in Cleveland, Ohio, as" (MOS:GEOCOMMA)
- "to Anaheim, California in" ---> "to Anaheim, California, in" (same as above)
- Once more with "to St. Louis, Missouri in" ---> "to St. Louis, Missouri, in"
- Refs 26 and 43 both link to stats for Gus Freotte, rather than one linking to Brock Berlin
I think that's all I have! TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:38, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @TheDoctorWho: Done - I've read your comments and have made the necessary corrections based on your feedback. Thank you for your help!
- --Birdienest81talk 06:09, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Happy to support, nice work! TheDoctorWho (talk) 06:33, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey man im josh
Source review: Passed
- Reliable enough for the information being cited
- Consistent date formatting
- Consistent and proper reference formatting
- Appropriate wikilinks where applicable
- Spot checks on sources match what they are being cited for
Feedback:
- Ref 16 – Yahoo Sports not linked
- Ref 19 – This would be a better reference, as it seems like you might be expecting people to click this link anyways
- Ref 20 – Pro Football Talk would be a more appropriate link in this case
- Why do you have Pro Football Reference listed as a publisher instead of a website? It's an online sports statistics database, I would think website makes the most sense here
- See also section – bypass redirect of List of starting quarterbacks in the National Football League to List of starting quarterbacks in the NFL
- See also section – remove explanations of the links, they're self descriptive in their titles
Please ping me when the above has been addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:36, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Hey man im josh: Done - I've have made corrections based on your comments and a few more adjustments. Thanks for your help.
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:36, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was promoted by Hey man im josh via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 2 May 2025 (UTC) [2].[reply]
- Nominator(s): Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 21:47, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's been a while since I've been at FLC, but after finishing the article on Barbara Park I decided to fill out the bibliography as well. The Junie B. Jones books were childhood favorites of mine, so it's been fun to revisit them. I've annotated each entry with a brief description of the book and wrote a lead that summarizes the sequence of the publications. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 21:47, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Drive-by (QoH)
FYI I've moved the page to Barbara Park bibliography, for consistency with the rest of Category:Bibliographies by writer. charlotte 👸♥ 01:16, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Would it break anything if we renamed this page and updated the name at WP:FLC? Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 16:28, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Since no one answered you, no, and it didn't :P Hey man im josh (talk) 18:42, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- "Barbara Park, an American author, has written many children's books" - as she is deceased, this should be "Barbara Park, an American author, wrote many children's books"
- "This was followed by The Kid in the Red Jacket" - as the previous sentence covered two books, the subject should be plural
- "Junie B. starts her first day of kindergarten" - suggest linking kindergarten, as this is not a term commonly used outside the United States and readers in other countries may not know what it means
- "Junie B. is not allowed to take her dog to Pet Day at school" - Pet Day was not written with caps earlier....?
- That's all I got
-- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:24, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- ChrisTheDude all changes made. Thanks! Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 16:27, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:38, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
History6042
- All sources need archive links and dates.
- Are archive links required by the featured list criteria? My understanding was that they are often considered unnecessary and in-the-way if there isn't a specific reason to include them.
- All sources should have source date.
- All sources with available dates already have the dates listed. For those that do not, there is an access date in its stead.
- I think all instances of Judie B. Jones where they are just Judie B. should be Jones because people (I am not sure about fictional characters) are normally referred to by last name or full name, almost never first name.
- MOS:SURNAME says to use common names for fictional characters.
- Could any images be added?
- None of the author's works are in the public domain, and her article uses a non-free image.
- Should a link to Judie B. Jones be added in the article body and the lede, not just the lede.
- I've added {{Main}} with a link.
- "Junie B. My Valentime" has a typo.
- As shown by the source, that is the correct spelling of the title.
- Ping when done. History6042😊 (Contact me) 01:14, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- History6042, I've replied to your points above. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 01:36, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, the only thing I would respond to that is that I would perfer archive links but if they are not needed then I am happy to support. History6042😊 (Contact me) 01:37, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- History6042, I've replied to your points above. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 01:36, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
IntentionallyDense
- Source review
- Citations are consistently formatted
- Sources are appropriately reliable for the topic
- The book citations are all verified
- Spot checked some of the other refs and they all checked out
Pass for the source review! IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 17:58, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey man im josh
- Your references all use YYYY-MM-DD format, which really isn't standard. You should pick MDY or DMY and add the relevant template. This will also help for consistency if any references are changed in the future.
- Do you typically not just not add wikilinks? I only ask because of ref 8, the New York Times, which I would normally ask for a link for (but I understand not everyone links, which is consistently applied in this case, so no need to do this necessarily)
- Ref 8 – Add the url-access parameter, as it's behind a paywall for me
- Ref 10 – Is there a reason you're using just 2013 instead of the listed original publish date of 16 January 2013?
That's all I've got, good stuff Alien! Please ping me when you reply. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:46, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Hey man im josh Thanks! I've made all of the suggested changes. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 21:57, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:23, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:36, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.